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    David
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    Hey guys,

     

    I am new to this board and I am reaching out to you guys for some advice.  I finally bought my first house and I cannot wait to install a nice home entertainment system.  My wife and I host a lot of parties, and we are ready to step up from a shelf system boom box with a headphone/RCA jack and a 32” CRT tv into the big leagues. 

    So attached is a floor plan of my living room.   It is roughly 15’ x 17’ with 8’ ceilings and hardwood floor.  According to where the cable jack is, it looks like we can fit a 46” LCD or LED TV on a table/stand.  Now comes the real question….

     

    The audio:

    Originally before I found this house, I had picked out a Denon AVR 3310 (approx. 125 Watt/channel) and a Aperion 5T Hybrid System.  (I hope you can see that I had this system planned a whole year and a half before we found the house!)

    Now there are new things out, and now I actually have the confines of a radiator and fire place.  I was thinking that the 5T hybrid system may not fit.  So I was considering the Verus Forte, will they be large enough?  What receiver should I get (based on Watts/channel) Is 90 under powered, is 125 overkill?

    So please take a second and design my living room!

    When you pick out a system, also let me know where you think the speakers should be placed… My concern is will the radiator’s heat in the winter time affect the tower speakers?  Where should I put the subwoofer?  Where should the surrounds go?  Should they be wall mounted or on stands?

    Also if you have any suggestions on TV’s that would be appreciated too!

     

    Thanks,

    David

     

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    David
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    I guess I should give my budget as well:

    TV:  $700-900

    AVR: $700-900

    Aperion Speakers ~$2,500  5T Hybrid or the Verus Forte HD

    Cabling, Mounts, Surge Protector, Misouts, etc. ~$200

     

    Thanks in advance for your help,

    David

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    Scott
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    I am not sure why you have not got an answer yet. With that said, this site has had come problems of late, and were just currently fixed. Many long time posters may not have checked back to see that it has been fixed.

     You might want to try going over to avsforums. Do a search for the official Aperion thread. Lots of Aperion owners over there.

    I have old model Aperions, and love them. I don't know much about the new stuff. You have your budget appropriately set in my opinion. Your system will rock the house.

    #2849
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    Jason Hicks
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    Hello and welcome to the forum!

    Sorry for the delay I composed a reply yesterday and then inadvertently closed my browser, d'oh!

    That's not a huge space, although we do have to consider the opening at the back of the room.  Even so, it looks like you are only sitting about 8-9 feet from the screen so I would recommend the Verus Forte HD set up which will offer you better sound quality than the 5T system.  The challenge is going to be fitting the towers into that corner as it looks like you are pretty cramped for space there.  Is the radiator really 59" wide?  Hopefully it isn't and you have a little more room to place the right tower, if it's a foot away from the radiator and then the other is around two feet away from the fireplace (assuming you use it) then I wouldn't worry about the heat.  If that isn't possible given the current set up then you may have to push the TV stand back into the corner a bit to gain some space.  Ideally you would have two feet behind the towers because of the rear ports, but if that's not possible then a foot is fine too.  

    The sub I would place on the other side of the radiator between it and the door, it looks like you should have enough space to give the sub a foot or two from the radiator there.   

    As for the surrounds with that closet on the left it doesn't look to me like wall mounting is really an option, so it's probably going to have to be stands either to the sides of the couch or behind it.  

    In terms of a receiver, we sell Marantz so of course that is my first recommendation and for a room like that the Marantz 5006 should be plenty of power.  But if you want to go with another brand the Onkyo 809 is tough to beat for bang for the buck factor in your price range.  

    For LED or LCD Samsung is my favorite brand.  

    I hope that helps but please let me know if you have additional questions, thanks!  

     

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    David
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    Thank you Jason so much for the insight.  Based on seating distances, I am planning on going with either a 42 or 46" TV.  I have looked over the Samsung models and found a few that fit the budget.  Also I was checking out LG Tv's of the same size.

     

    I realize that my room isn't ideal but when you have a house built in 1902, a small corner television is pretty much all anyone considered in the sixties and seventies.

     

    What affect will radiated heat have on the speakers? It looks like the Verus Forte Towers are only 6" wide.  With a correctly sized TV stand, everything should fit fine but will be fairly close to the radiator.  A 46" TV is roughly 43" wide.  This should easily fit in the 48" area between the fire place and radiator.  If I pull the TV stand out into the middle of the room say a foot, the speakers should fit just fine.

     

    If I go with the 42" TV, A 40" Table should be fit fine and the speakers might fit in the  corner but be obstructed by the radiator and fire place bricks, which I don't think is a good idea.

     

    I will check into the possibility of limiting the flow of steam to the living room radiator.  Is there a rule of thumb for the maximum operating temperature for your Aperion Speakers? 

     

    Another question on speaker positioning, I don't know how the wifey will handle an nice 10" sub right by the entrance to our home.  Is the subwoofer able to be put behind the TV?  How does that affect the acoustics?

     

    How do the Verus Forte Bookshelfs mount?  Is it either stand mounted or the OMNI wall mount?  Does it make a large difference, given how small the room is to have the bookshelves on the floor tucked in close to the couch?

     

    In your AVR discussion, you recommended two different receivers.  The Marantz 5006, and the Onkyo 809.  I did a bit of research and both look fantastic in terms of features and video quality.  There was one large difference, the Marantz has only 100 Watts/Channel and the Onkyo has 135 Watts/ Channel.  I feel this should be further discussed.  What difference on the Forte's does an extra 35 watts/channel? Elaborate a bit on will the power be mostly used for additional volume to improve sound quality.

     

    In your experience, how do you feel about the many comments on Onkyo’s over heating, bugs and poor customer service? Is it worth buying less power for a more engineered product with better customer service?

     

    Thanks again,

     

    Dave

     

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    Jason Hicks
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    [quote user="mildsnbleu"]

    Thank you Jason so much for the insight.  Based on seating distances, I am planning on going with either a 42 or 46" TV.  I have looked over the Samsung models and found a few that fit the budget.  Also I was checking out LG Tv's of the same size.

     

    I realize that my room isn't ideal but when you have a house built in 1902, a small corner television is pretty much all anyone considered in the sixties and seventies.

     

    What affect will radiated heat have on the speakers? It looks like the Verus Forte Towers are only 6" wide.  With a correctly sized TV stand, everything should fit fine but will be fairly close to the radiator.  A 46" TV is roughly 43" wide.  This should easily fit in the 48" area between the fire place and radiator.  If I pull the TV stand out into the middle of the room say a foot, the speakers should fit just fine.

     

    If I go with the 42" TV, A 40" Table should be fit fine and the speakers might fit in the  corner but be obstructed by the radiator and fire place bricks, which I don't think is a good idea.

     

    I will check into the possibility of limiting the flow of steam to the living room radiator.  Is there a rule of thumb for the maximum operating temperature for your Aperion Speakers? 

     

    Another question on speaker positioning, I don't know how the wifey will handle an nice 10" sub right by the entrance to our home.  Is the subwoofer able to be put behind the TV?  How does that affect the acoustics?

     

    How do the Verus Forte Bookshelfs mount?  Is it either stand mounted or the OMNI wall mount?  Does it make a large difference, given how small the room is to have the bookshelves on the floor tucked in close to the couch?

     

    In your AVR discussion, you recommended two different receivers.  The Marantz 5006, and the Onkyo 809.  I did a bit of research and both look fantastic in terms of features and video quality.  There was one large difference, the Marantz has only 100 Watts/Channel and the Onkyo has 135 Watts/ Channel.  I feel this should be further discussed.  What difference on the Forte's does an extra 35 watts/channel? Elaborate a bit on will the power be mostly used for additional volume to improve sound quality.

     

    In your experience, how do you feel about the many comments on Onkyo’s over heating, bugs and poor customer service? Is it worth buying less power for a more engineered product with better customer service?

     

    Thanks again,

     

    Dave

     

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    If the speakers get too close to the radiator and are too hot you could have issues with the cabinets expanding and contracting due to temperature changes and over time cracks could form.  I should point out though that I have only seen something like this happen one time in the four years I have been doing this.  That said I would be concerned if the air temp around the speakers was much over 90 degrees for a sustained amount of time on a regular basis.  

    Sure you can put the sub behind the TV the downside to that is if the sub gets too close to that corner it can start to become boomy due to the reflections from the corner walls.  I'd say give it a shot, if you can keep it even a few inches out of that corner it should be fine.  

    You should be able to get a higher maximum volume from the Onkyo 809 due to the extra power.  However in my experience Marantz offers a bit more in the way of sound quality, specifically with a smoother top end and a little more detail.  I think you will be happy with either, but if you want to push the system to higher volumes the 809 will allow you to do that to a greater degree than the Marantz.  

    I haven't found the amount of heat that the Onkyo's produce to be an issue, we ran a 876 for years here with very little clearance above it and had no problems with it.  As for bugs I haven't heard of any specifically with the 809, I know they were some firmware issues with the 708 but I believe they were resolved fairly quickly after its release.  Yeah their customer support isn't the best, and that's a pretty big one for me, I have heard of people getting the run around from Onkyo a few times, which is indeed disappointing.  So for me, that's one of the biggest advantages of buying a Marantz from us, you don't have to deal with the manufacturer of the receiver, if anything comes up you can just call us.  [8-|]

    Just let me know if you still have more questions, thanks! 

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    David
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    Oh man, so a week ago a package from monoprice came and now I have my 47" LG hooked up with HDMI (a large upgrade from standard coax into the back of the TV).  From the same package, I am looking at 100 ft of 12 AWG copper wire and 10 pairs of bananas. 

    …. now comes the kicker…..

     Last night my faithful UPS man delivered the 125 WPC 7 channel Denon AVR 3311 CI.  I have so much power in my living room and nothing to play it on!

     These Aperions can't come soon enough, I am checking every day and it looks like Friday or Saturday they should arrive. I feel like a 6 year old on Christmas morning.

     Quite literally (with the 500 W Bravus IIa 10d) I have just under 2 horsepower of audio power just sitting there and nothing to push.

     

    Patiently waiting,

    David

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    Jason Hicks
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    [quote user="mildsnbleu"]

    Oh man, so a week ago a package from monoprice came and now I have my 47" LG hooked up with HDMI (a large upgrade from standard coax into the back of the TV).  From the same package, I am looking at 100 ft of 12 AWG copper wire and 10 pairs of bananas. 

    …. now comes the kicker…..

     Last night my faithful UPS man delivered the 125 WPC 7 channel Denon AVR 3311 CI.  I have so much power in my living room and nothing to play it on!

     These Aperions can't come soon enough, I am checking every day and it looks like Friday or Saturday they should arrive. I feel like a 6 year old on Christmas morning.

     Quite literally (with the 500 W Bravus IIa 10d) I have just under 2 horsepower of audio power just sitting there and nothing to push.

     

    Patiently waiting,

    David

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    The waiting is indeed the hardest part, but I think it will be worth it.

    If you want to let us know how everything is sounding once you get it set up that would be great!

    #2648
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    David
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    So just as Jason promised, my 7 boxes of audio goodness were delivered last Saturday.  I spent some time unpacking (really impressed with the efforts here), running cables (thank you Aperion Banana Plug Video), and hooking up the Denon 3311CI.  Once everything was in its proper place I the ran Audyssey test tones and we were in business.

     

    I invited over 8 of my friends for their debut and believe me Aperion did not let me down!  The first song I played was AC/DC’s “For Those About To Rock” and wow did it ever rock.  The canon fire at the end shook the house (Thank you Bravus IIa 10d and your 500W of power) and Angus’s guitar was absolutely screaming.   Basically the night turned into an amazing rock concert like experience complete with an abundance of cheap light beer.  The party was full force until 4am and everyone slept where they fell. 

     

    The next morning was spent watching the Steelers beat the Bengals in surround sound (…at low volume…) It was a truly fantastic weekend and Friday can’t come soon enough!

     

    Thank you Jason and everyone at Aperion, you make a terrific product.  No one could believe how clear and undistorted your speakers are at loud volumes.  It was weird, everything sounded so clear and it didn’t seem loud because it was undistorted… then you try and talk to someone and ended up needing to shout!

     

    The Verus Forte Towers are amazing and I am ABSOLUTELY terrified of the Verus Grands!

     

    I think in the upcoming weeks I will be fine tuning the setup with speaker placement, sub levels and features of the 3311. 

     

    Thank you again,

     

    David

    Pittsburgh, PA

     

    #2649
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    David
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    I have a quick question about the setting up the subwoofer.  I purchased the Bravus 11a 10d, it has several inputs (LFE, Line In left and right, and high level inputs).  I also bought the Aperion HP sub cable with a Y split on the one end.

    I hooked the single end into the back of the receiver (SW Pre-out) .  Does the double end go into line in?  That’s where I hooked it up.  The Audyssey website says that if there is a LFE input, that should always be used.  If I use then I have an open plug end.  I only ask this because when I set up Audyssey it turned the trims very low (-12dB) and the bass was not very present given how large the sub was.  I am going to go home again tonight and try and re-run the calibration.

    Any thoughts?

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    Jason Hicks
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    [quote user="mildsnbleu"]

    I have a quick question about the setting up the subwoofer.  I purchased the Bravus 11a 10d, it has several inputs (LFE, Line In left and right, and high level inputs).  I also bought the Aperion HP sub cable with a Y split on the one end.

    I hooked the single end into the back of the receiver (SW Pre-out) .  Does the double end go into line in?  That’s where I hooked it up.  The Audyssey website says that if there is a LFE input, that should always be used.  If I use then I have an open plug end.  I only ask this because when I set up Audyssey it turned the trims very low (-12dB) and the bass was not very present given how large the sub was.  I am going to go home again tonight and try and re-run the calibration.

    Any thoughts?

    [/quote]

    Yes with the y-adapter you want to use the line in inputs, they are functionally the same as the LFE input but since there are two of them you will be sending more signal to the sub.  

    -12 dB is way too low for your sub channel level, I recommend turning it up to at least 0 and then you can reduce the sub's own volume if necessary.  

    I hope that helps! 

    #2650
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    David
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    I have had the Verus Forte 5.1 system with the 10” Bravus sub in my home for about two months now.  I have nothing but praise for these speakers.  The sound is incredible it is actually better than a lot of live concerts I have went to in the past two months.  The bass can really crush you (if you want it to) and the highs are so defined and crisp it really can’t be described. 

    The first thing I noticed was the wall of sound that filled the entire room.  Even at very loud volumes, everything was clear and nothing was strained.  I do have a Denon 3312 (125 WPC) powering the Aperions, so I am sure that helps!  Do you know when you turn a stereo up to max or even 95% of max and everything gets distorted and it sounds terrible and extremely loud.  Well, we had a party about a month after these were set up and I didn’t realize how loud things were until I want to speak and had to yell over it.  It was so clear it didn’t sound “loud” but believe me (and the complimentary SPL meter) it was loud.

    My parents on the other side of the state just built a new home with a wide open floor plan and a huge family room with cathedral ceilings.  They are already sold on the Verus Grand Towers and the Bravus 12.  So look for that order in a few months (once they get settled).  I know from first hand experience how much sound the Forte’s can make and I am a little bit nervous what something twice the size and weight can do.

    I have found myself watching a lot less TV and a lot more Concert DVDs, Palladia TV and Fuse TV.  The sound is just inspiring.  My thanks goes out to Jason and the Aperion team in answering my seemingly endless questions about room design, speaker efficiency, watts per channel, etc.

    -Dave

     

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