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June 1, 2009 at 7:55 am #2562
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Prerak

So I just received my 4T Intimus setup a week ago.  Set everything up with my Onkyo 806 on Friday, and have been fiddling with it all weekend.  Question I have is, on the speakers manuals, they talk about setting them to large or small but I can't find a place to do that in the 806 setup menu for the life of me.

 Does anyone have an idea where to find those settings.

 Many thanks.

June 1, 2009 at 8:40 am #2710
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Gregory

It's less about setting them to "large vs small" and more about where the crossover is set at.  If the crossover is set high enough (80hz or higher), that's essentially setting it to a "small" speaker.  At that point, the sub will take over, which is why you'd want a "small" setting in the first place.

 

 

June 1, 2009 at 8:57 am #2751
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Jason Hicks

In the Onkyos they call large "full band" and PJ is correct crossing over your fronts at 80 Hz is the same as setting them to small.

June 1, 2009 at 9:18 am #2691
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Russell

[quote user="Jason Hicks"]In the Onkyos they call large "full band" and PJ is correct crossing over your fronts at 80 Hz is the same as setting them to small.
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I thought full band on the AVR (large or small on mine) meant that the fronts played the full frequency band and the sub started augmenting at the crossover point vs non fullband meaning the fronts crossed over to the sub at the crossover frequency.

 Cheers 

June 1, 2009 at 10:43 am #2752
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Jason Hicks

[quote user="Russ"]

[quote user="Jason Hicks"]In the Onkyos they call large "full band" and PJ is correct crossing over your fronts at 80 Hz is the same as setting them to small.
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I thought full band on the AVR (large or small on mine) meant that the fronts played the full frequency band and the sub started augmenting at the crossover point vs non fullband meaning the fronts crossed over to the sub at the crossover frequency.

 Cheers 

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It depends if you have an independent crossover, for the brands that use a global crossover (like Pioneer) I believe the small settting will override the crossover and it won't send anything below 80 Hz to the fronts.
 

June 1, 2009 at 11:06 am #2692
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Russell

[quote user="Jason Hicks"][quote user="Russ"]

[quote user="Jason Hicks"]In the Onkyos they call large "full band" and PJ is correct crossing over your fronts at 80 Hz is the same as setting them to small.
[/quote]

I thought full band on the AVR (large or small on mine) meant that the fronts played the full frequency band and the sub started augmenting at the crossover point vs non fullband meaning the fronts crossed over to the sub at the crossover frequency.

 Cheers 

[/quote]

 

It depends if you have an independent crossover, for the brands that use a global crossover (like Pioneer) I believe the small settting will override the crossover and it won't send anything below 80 Hz to the fronts.
 

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I set my 8D to bypass and have my AVR set to small and crossover at 80Hz.  When I do this the AVR does not allow double bass which tells me the front are cut off at 80 on the lower end and the Sub is cut off at 80 on the top end.  When I set them to large the double bass setting is enabled which I take to mean the fronts play with the full bandwidth that they can produce and the Sub has a cut off on the op end at the 80Hz setting.  My AVR is a Onkyo 503 which is old compared to the newer ones so I don't know if this is still how they work.

With the 4Ts I have played with this and found that small, 80Hz, double bass off sounds almost identical to large, 60Hz or 50Hz (can't remember which is offered), and double bass on.  If I left it at large, 80Hz, double bass on it sounded a bit fat.  Of course this is all by ear because I am too cheap to buy a meter.

Cheers 

June 1, 2009 at 11:24 am #2753
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Jason Hicks

[quote user="Russ"][quote user="Jason Hicks"][quote user="Russ"]

[quote user="Jason Hicks"]In the Onkyos they call large "full band" and PJ is correct crossing over your fronts at 80 Hz is the same as setting them to small.
[/quote]

I thought full band on the AVR (large or small on mine) meant that the fronts played the full frequency band and the sub started augmenting at the crossover point vs non fullband meaning the fronts crossed over to the sub at the crossover frequency.

 Cheers 

[/quote]

 

It depends if you have an independent crossover, for the brands that use a global crossover (like Pioneer) I believe the small settting will override the crossover and it won't send anything below 80 Hz to the fronts.
 

[/quote]

I set my 8D to bypass and have my AVR set to small and crossover at 80Hz.  When I do this the AVR does not allow double bass which tells me the front are cut off at 80 on the lower end and the Sub is cut off at 80 on the top end.  When I set them to large the double bass setting is enabled which I take to mean the fronts play with the full bandwidth that they can produce and the Sub has a cut off on the op end at the 80Hz setting.  My AVR is a Onkyo 503 which is old compared to the newer ones so I don't know if this is still how they work.

With the 4Ts I have played with this and found that small, 80Hz, double bass off sounds almost identical to large, 60Hz or 50Hz (can't remember which is offered), and double bass on.  If I left it at large, 80Hz, double bass on it sounded a bit fat.  Of course this is all by ear because I am too cheap to buy a meter.

Cheers 

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So 80 and small sounds almost the same as large with 50 or 60 as the crossover point? 

June 1, 2009 at 11:38 am #2693
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Russell

[quote user="Jason Hicks"][quote user="Russ"][quote user="Jason Hicks"][quote user="Russ"]

[quote user="Jason Hicks"]In the Onkyos they call large "full band" and PJ is correct crossing over your fronts at 80 Hz is the same as setting them to small.
[/quote]

I thought full band on the AVR (large or small on mine) meant that the fronts played the full frequency band and the sub started augmenting at the crossover point vs non fullband meaning the fronts crossed over to the sub at the crossover frequency.

 Cheers 

[/quote]

 

It depends if you have an independent crossover, for the brands that use a global crossover (like Pioneer) I believe the small settting will override the crossover and it won't send anything below 80 Hz to the fronts.
 

[/quote]

I set my 8D to bypass and have my AVR set to small and crossover at 80Hz.  When I do this the AVR does not allow double bass which tells me the front are cut off at 80 on the lower end and the Sub is cut off at 80 on the top end.  When I set them to large the double bass setting is enabled which I take to mean the fronts play with the full bandwidth that they can produce and the Sub has a cut off on the op end at the 80Hz setting.  My AVR is a Onkyo 503 which is old compared to the newer ones so I don't know if this is still how they work.

With the 4Ts I have played with this and found that small, 80Hz, double bass off sounds almost identical to large, 60Hz or 50Hz (can't remember which is offered), and double bass on.  If I left it at large, 80Hz, double bass on it sounded a bit fat.  Of course this is all by ear because I am too cheap to buy a meter.

Cheers 

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So 80 and small sounds almost the same as large with 50 or 60 as the crossover point? 

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With double bass on and set to large, yes.  However, I run it as small, thus double bass off, and 80 because that way I never have to worry about sub going to sleep and it saves me a few more watts for when I get the 2 4Bs and the 4C.

Oh, and did I mention how much I enjoy the 4Ts!

Cheers 

June 2, 2009 at 10:24 am #2742
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Prerak

Thanks for all the info. 

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