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    Here is my situation, I have recently moved. I just purchased a Marantz 7005 in part to add some width/height to my listening experience via Audyssey DSX. All the advice I am reading is that the dipole/bipole 532s I own would be better replaced with monopole speakers for the rear and ditto for the height and width speakers. My wife shudders as I write this, so I want to explore redeployment options.

    Here is my dilemna: I run two rooms, one 30×30' L shaped formal space with 30' ceilings in the viewing area and a shiny new Samsung 55" LED TV in it, and one man cave 16 x 20 x 9 with a 1080i panasonic projector and 106" screen in it. WAF dictates that these variables cannot change.

    In addition to my old  yamaha RXV 4600 receiver, I have the following speakers; 

    4 x 422-LR Satellite Speakers

    1 x 422-C Center Channel

    1 x S-8 Subwoofer 

    1 x 533-VAC Vertical Array Center Channel

    4 x 534-SS Dipole/Bipole Surround Speakers

    2 x 533-PT Power Tower Speakers

    2 x 632-LR Bookshelf Speakers

    1 x Yamaha YSTSW305 Subwoofer 

     

    The logical choice would be to run the the power towers in the larger space with with the other 533 series gear and maybe the 632s as width speakers. My wife doesn't want that many larger speakers so I need to consider running a 5.1 with the 422 series in the large room and suck it up given I have a nice cave. 

    1. Do I put the bookshelf 632's in the larger room to give me better stereo sound, and sacrifice timbre matching with the 422s as center/surround L/R. Wife would be happy with smaller speakers….This would give me a pair of 422s leftover (width speakers?), and bipole/dipole surrounds in the cave with the marantz receiver. 

    or

    2. Use the 632s as width speakers and forego the height speakers in the man cave, maintaining at least one pair of di/bipole surrounds. Large room stays 422 series 5.1 setup. 

    3. Use the 632s as l/r surrounds in the man cave, sacrifice the bipoles and buy new monopole height and width speakers from the current aperion range.

    4. Buy some new "pretty' speaker system to match the sleek TV and use all the 422s as width/height.

    5. Get a divorce citing irreconcilable differences….. 

    5. Just get over it, timbre matching anything besides L-C-R fronts isn't as important as a happy wife.

    Timbre matching is probably my main concern, especially with the power towers, which are broken in and working a treat with either receiver. I've heard new surround sound modes don't need bipoles/dipoles, but I was kinda happy with the diffuse sound and listened to music in stereo….

    Would new aperion speakers match any better or worse than the 632s/422s for directional height, width or surrounds? The Audyssey people say surrounds are less important than matched width/height for immersive sound, but you would expect them to say that!

    Someone advise please! 

    #2847
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    Jason Hicks
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    [quote user="James Hounsell"]

    Here is my situation, I have recently moved. I just purchased a Marantz 7005 in part to add some width/height to my listening experience via Audyssey DSX. All the advice I am reading is that the dipole/bipole 532s I own would be better replaced with monopole speakers for the rear and ditto for the height and width speakers. My wife shudders as I write this, so I want to explore redeployment options.

    Here is my dilemna: I run two rooms, one 30×30' L shaped formal space with 30' ceilings in the viewing area and a shiny new Samsung 55" LED TV in it, and one man cave 16 x 20 x 9 with a 1080i panasonic projector and 106" screen in it. WAF dictates that these variables cannot change.

    In addition to my old  yamaha RXV 4600 receiver, I have the following speakers; 

    4 x 422-LR Satellite Speakers

    1 x 422-C Center Channel

    1 x S-8 Subwoofer 

    1 x 533-VAC Vertical Array Center Channel

    4 x 534-SS Dipole/Bipole Surround Speakers

    2 x 533-PT Power Tower Speakers

    2 x 632-LR Bookshelf Speakers

    1 x Yamaha YSTSW305 Subwoofer 

     

    The logical choice would be to run the the power towers in the larger space with with the other 533 series gear and maybe the 632s as width speakers. My wife doesn't want that many larger speakers so I need to consider running a 5.1 with the 422 series in the large room and suck it up given I have a nice cave. 

    1. Do I put the bookshelf 632's in the larger room to give me better stereo sound, and sacrifice timbre matching with the 422s as center/surround L/R. Wife would be happy with smaller speakers….This would give me a pair of 422s leftover (width speakers?), and bipole/dipole surrounds in the cave with the marantz receiver. 

    or

    2. Use the 632s as width speakers and forego the height speakers in the man cave, maintaining at least one pair of di/bipole surrounds. Large room stays 422 series 5.1 setup. 

    3. Use the 632s as l/r surrounds in the man cave, sacrifice the bipoles and buy new monopole height and width speakers from the current aperion range.

    4. Buy some new "pretty' speaker system to match the sleek TV and use all the 422s as width/height.

    5. Get a divorce citing irreconcilable differences….. 

    5. Just get over it, timbre matching anything besides L-C-R fronts isn't as important as a happy wife.

    Timbre matching is probably my main concern, especially with the power towers, which are broken in and working a treat with either receiver. I've heard new surround sound modes don't need bipoles/dipoles, but I was kinda happy with the diffuse sound and listened to music in stereo….

    Would new aperion speakers match any better or worse than the 632s/422s for directional height, width or surrounds? The Audyssey people say surrounds are less important than matched width/height for immersive sound, but you would expect them to say that!

    Someone advise please! 

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    Hey James, 

    Whew, you've got a lot going on there!

    Ok here's what I would do if it were me:

    Keep the 533-PTs and 533-VAC up front in the big room, it's a huge space so I think you need to keep your biggest speakers in there so they can fill the room. 

    Personally I think the 534-SS would be great for height speakers, as long as you keep them in bipole mode so you get at least some directional sound from them.  So that would be my first choice for one pair.  Then you can use another pair as your side surrounds in that same room.  I think having one set of height/width and then one set of side surrounds makes more sense than having both height and width channels, but that's just my opinion.  If you don't want to use the 534-SS as height channels, then my next choice would be the 632s as width channels, but if it were me I'd use them as your fronts in the smaller room since they are great speakers and in my opinion would be under utilized as width channels. 

    So then in the smaller room that's what I would recommend, the 632s as fronts with the 422-C.  Now they could potentially present a mismatch and the 422 could sound small next to the 632s.  Personally I would give it a shot, if the 632s really do end up overwhelming the 422-C then I would consider picking up a 5C. 

    Then you can use the 422s as your side and rear surrounds if there is room for a 7.1 system in there. 

    As for the subs, I'd probably put the S8 in the small room since you already have two 8 inch subs in the big room with the 533-PTs and use the Yamaha with them.  

    Finally, keep your wife, she must be pretty lenient to let you buy all those speakers in the first place!  [8-|]

    I hope that helps but please let me know if you have any questions, thanks! 

    #2685

    Thanks Jason

    Silly side question which I've always wondered – those side firing subs in the power towers. How far away from the corners of the room should I situate them, or better put, how close is too close?  I know there is some black magic around standing waves and such, but for a layman like me?

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    Jason Hicks
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    [quote user="James Hounsell"]

    Thanks Jason

    Silly side question which I've always wondered – those side firing subs in the power towers. How far away from the corners of the room should I situate them, or better put, how close is too close?  I know there is some black magic around standing waves and such, but for a layman like me?

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    1-2 feet is what I recommend, bare minimum six inches but a foot will be better.  

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