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February 21, 2011 at 2:39 pm #2226
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Trevyn

Hi folks!

 I just pulled the trigger on the following:

2 5T's

1 4c — This is due to the size constraints for my entertainment system, but welcome thoughts

2 5b's

Bravus II 8D — Open box, baby!

 I
will be running these off of an Onkyo TX-SR605 (already own it and will
upgrade in a year or so–the new speakers are replacing the Onkyo HTIB
speakers that came with the receiver)

 My room is 20' feet wide
and 13.5', but the HT area of the room is 11' wide by 13.5' deep.  My
speakers will sit on either side of my 50'' plasma, centered on the 11'
section of the room.  If facing the television, there is a sizable
opening to the dining room just to the left, which makes for an overall
larger room.  I have hardwood floors throughout, a large area run
directly in front of the television and a large leather sofa centered on
the tv against the back wall with a leather love seat, which is set
perpendicular to the sofa on the right if you are on the couch, facing
the television.  The walls are plaster and the ceiling is 9'.  This room
has more windows than walls, if that makes sense, with the exception
being the wall that the couch sits against.  I've attached a small photo
taken from the adjacent dining room to give some perspective.

 Any
thoughts on the setup or how best to configure the
receiver/speakers/sub?  Anyone have that specific Onkyo receiver that
would like to offer their experience with Aperion speakers?  The
front-line speakers will have near optimal placement, but he rears will
basically sit on stands directly on either side of the couch.

 Lastly,
I use my HT for 60% HDTV/Movies (Both HTPC-driven and blu-rays via PS3)
/ 20% Video Games / 20% music (ranging jazz/indie music, including hip
hop, rock, blues, classical, electronic, and anything in between).

 All
feedback is welcome.  I've spent the better part of my life over the
last few days reading AVSForums and I'm not ready for direct thoughts
from you all.

February 22, 2011 at 8:34 am #2475
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Bill

My recommendation would be to find a way to have a 5C center speaker. The Center channel is key to your front stage for handling dialog. In the room you have and with the 5T's, the 4C will be lacking. Looking at your photo, if you can't mount the center speaker either under or in front of your screen, there are mounts that would accommodate mounting on top of your set. If you have read the forums, you most likely have come across several comments regarding the 4C lacking. The 4C will not provide the quality of sound you will want to match your 5T's.

 I have had the 5T's and C, they are a very good speaker. I currently have VGT's and VGC, using 5T's for surround. 

February 22, 2011 at 1:48 pm #2342
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Trevyn

Thanks for the reply and feedback!  Believe me, if I could have gotten away with the 5C, it would be a done deal!  I have two challenges to overcome (hopefully in under a year so I can trade up): (1) The current entertainment cabinet that we have maxes out at about 18.25 inches of width and (2) WAF–isn't that always the case?

Jessica (wife) is both very fond of the current cabinet and very unwilling to have a center speaker that sized sitting in front of the television or blocking the windows above the television.  This basically leaves me with four options: (1) live with the 4C, (2) get a new wife, (3) get a new cabinet–which may require #2, or (4) find a creative solution that meets my constraints.

 Any ideas for creative solutions?  I should add that the tv needs to stay in that location.  I know…PITA, right?  Is the 4C really that bad?

February 22, 2011 at 5:06 pm #2444
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Jason Hicks

[quote user="Trevyn"]

Thanks for the reply and feedback!  Believe me, if I could have gotten away with the 5C, it would be a done deal!  I have two challenges to overcome (hopefully in under a year so I can trade up): (1) The current entertainment cabinet that we have maxes out at about 18.25 inches of width and (2) WAF–isn't that always the case?

Jessica (wife) is both very fond of the current cabinet and very unwilling to have a center speaker that sized sitting in front of the television or blocking the windows above the television.  This basically leaves me with four options: (1) live with the 4C, (2) get a new wife, (3) get a new cabinet–which may require #2, or (4) find a creative solution that meets my constraints.

 Any ideas for creative solutions?  I should add that the tv needs to stay in that location.  I know…PITA, right?  Is the 4C really that bad?

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Get the 6C and put your TV right on top of it, that's what I do.  [8-|]

But no the 4C is not a bad speaker, it's just a bit small. 

February 22, 2011 at 5:21 pm #2476
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Bill

It's not that the 4C is that bad, it just doesn't have the ability to provide the range and sound the 5C can. My concern would be that the 4C may not provide the quality sound you are obviously seeking based on your purchase. It is kind of like having a high performance car , then putting in an underpowered engine in it. True the underpowered engine will power the car, however the car can not reach it's potential.

A couple of thoughts came to mind. One you could get a new cabinet, I have a Standout Design cabinet which handles my VGC Center speaker, which is a beast at almost 25". The cabinet is all wood, excellent construction and holds all of my components easil, very highly rated as well. I looked for weeks until I found Standout Designs, I am very happy with the quality and features, especially how easy it is to move. Another thought is to have a carpenter build a secondary center speaker shelf/box to match your existing stand, and have it sit on top of your stand. You then place your TV on top of the new addition. This would be a low cost fix ,which should look fine and allow you to keep your current stand. Lastly , I have heard of some placing their TV's on top of the center speaker. On the last option I can't say if it is a good or bad solution.

February 22, 2011 at 5:24 pm #2477
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Bill

I just read Hicks reply regarding placing the TV on the speaker, I trust his feedback that with his 6C it works well.

February 23, 2011 at 9:11 am #2343
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Trevyn

Now that is a tempting option.  Too bad the base on my television is 35"x15".  Stupid tv!

 

 

February 23, 2011 at 9:16 am #2344
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Trevyn

Oh, I understand.  I did a decent amount of research and new the specs of each speaker.  I was going to go with 4T's, but I knew that I'd regret it.  So I upgraded everything else to 5 series speakers (except the sub because I won't need that much bass on Day 1 and plan on adding a second sub eventually), but kept the 4C due to the size limitation.

 My wife is firmly convinced that she won't be able to tell the difference in sound and, thus, thinks I'm crazy.  I think once she hears the difference, she'll be much more pliable as it relates to changing the entertainment center to allow for the 5C, especially if I can find one that she thinks is sexy.

 Thanks for the tip on Standout Designs.  I'll check them out now.  I did find one or two that I liked from Bell'O.  We–again–have some size constraints.  I need a console that won't be higher than about 23", but will still accommodate my 5C, PS3, receiver, and HTPC.

February 23, 2011 at 12:10 pm #2445
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Jason Hicks

[quote user="Trevyn"]

Now that is a tempting option.  Too bad the base on my television is 35"x15".  Stupid tv!

 

 

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Yeah that probably won't work since the 6C is only 24" wide, just thought I'd throw it out there since the base didn't look huge from your picture.

February 23, 2011 at 12:33 pm #2345
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Trevyn

No worries!  I appreciate the suggestions.

 

February 24, 2011 at 6:30 pm #2332
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Glenn

Assuming your TV base is removable, how about mounting the TV to the wall with an articulating mount – just high enough to allow the bottom of the TV bezel to clear a 5C?  From the looks of things, the lower bezel surface of your TV is ~ 3inches off the stand.  A 5C is ~7.5inches high, so you'd have to raise the top surface of the TV bezel ~5-6 inches or so (allow for some clearance for measurement error and possible mount sag).  This may be better than placing it on a 6C or mounting a 5C above the TV…at least less of the window above is blocked.  Many articulating mounts allow the TV to be positioned ~20inches from the wall.

February 26, 2011 at 6:08 am #2346
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Trevyn

This is definately a good idea.

 

I'm happy to say that the wife has agreed to purchasing either a BDI or a Bell'O entertainment center based on some on-line pictures.  We will be headed to look at a few here in town this morning.

As a result, I've taken everyone's advice and e-mailed Aperion to have them send a 5C rather than the 4C that is currently on back order for me.  Hopefully they'll be cool with that!

February 26, 2011 at 8:23 am #2254
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Scott

They will be cool with that. I am glad you are getting to bump up to the 5. I have one, and can tell you it is a fantastic speaker!

February 27, 2011 at 3:13 pm #2387
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Thomas

I have the 5C paired with 6Bs and an Outlaw LFM+ Sub.  You made the right choice going bigger.  I eventually mounted mine above the TV (50" Plasma also) using some 8"x8" L brackets (Home Depot), painted flat black and added those silicone feet similar to what you get with the speakers but wider.  3 in the back and 1 in the front to give it a little tilt down.  The brackets came out nice.  You could do the same but WAF comes into play as you mentioned.  

While I was procrastinating mounting them I set it on a little 26" high round end table off to the side and aimed it towards the couches.  Not ideal I know but it got me up and running!  Looks like you could either put it on the shelf to the right or sneak it in between – while you are shopping for new entertainment center or TV mount (check out monoprice,com for good pricing).  

Good luck and the room looks great – you will be happy that is for sure!

March 1, 2011 at 1:39 pm #2347
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Trevyn

I can't wait for my 5C!  You were right, Aperion was very willing to make the switch and did so quickly. 

I finally settled on a BDI Cirrus (Wife approved!) and got a pretty decent price on it.  It will be dellivered on Friday morning and the 5C should be arriving right about then as well…perfect! timing  It looks like a very well-built cabinet.  I was able to see two other BDI cabinets in person to check the fit/finish and quality.  They appeared solid, well finished, and nice looking.  They'll fit the style of our living room well, which was important for WAF.  They are also significantly better vented than my current cabinet, which is a plus.

 I am really looking forward to having it all in place. While the current system sounds so much better than the old one, the mix of the new 5Ts and the old, HTIB Onkyo center channel is crap.  CRAP! :)   The sound stage is odd and hte center channel sounds almost hollow and a littlle boomy when driven to match the volume of the 5Ts.  Functional, but not pretty at all.  I'm interested in your idea for tilting the center channel.  I'll do the opposite of what you did in order to angle the center channel upwards a little, since it will be sitting on a shelf about a foot off the ground and ten feet in front of the listening positions.

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