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February 10, 2011 at 12:54 pm #2508
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My Pioneer vsx-1120 can bi-amp.  I'm not sure what, if any, will this provide if I bi-amp Aperion towers.  Can anyone please explain?

 

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February 11, 2011 at 10:26 am #2825
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Sure, so the first thing I should mention is that our Intimus speakers do not support bi-amping.  

So you will have to get speakers from our Verus line if you want to bi-amp. 

As far as the benefits there are differing opinions on how much of a real benefit it is so I would encourage you to do some research on it to make up your mind based on the evidence and experience of others. 

But the idea is that by bi-amping you will be sending more power to the speakers and thus can get more output.  Not only that but because you have separated out the signals going into the crossover network inside the speaker you eliminate the loss of power that can happen at the crossover when the signal for all the drivers has to go through the entire circuit. 

Finally by sending two signals to the crossover network you will ensure that the signal hits the tweeter and woofers at the same time and you can cut down on the slight phase shift that can occur since the woofers generally receive the signal from a passive crossover before the tweeter. 

I hope that helps but please let me know if you have any other questions, thanks! 

February 11, 2011 at 2:49 pm #2599
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Thanks Jason,

I was reading reviews regarding the Verus Grand as you stated they maybe a better fit than the new Forte's as my listening room's back wall is about 10' behind the couch.  Hometheater.com says they perform better with better componets….but my Pioneer VSX-900 series really only puts out ~80 watts/channel- but it allows bi-amping which may solve the problem.  But in a HT setup will biamping the L/R speakers drown out the center?  I wouldn't think so – but its good to ask.  Sorry to ask but when I researched this topic I get conflicting answers – I figure your company added the extra expense to have them wired for bi-amping but will it be effective using 1 amp and the extra speaker hookups?  Is the Pioneer "enough" of a receiver?

The review stated the speakers needed to be 3 1/2 feet from the back wall… something I don't think will work in my room.  How far would you recommend?

I can always "step down" to the 6I's if it works in my room better.

 Rob

Thanks so much for your help!!

February 11, 2011 at 3:33 pm #2826
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[quote user="rwhjr2"]

Thanks Jason,

I was reading reviews regarding the Verus Grand as you stated they maybe a better fit than the new Forte's as my listening room's back wall is about 10' behind the couch.  Hometheater.com says they perform better with better componets….but my Pioneer VSX-900 series really only puts out ~80 watts/channel- but it allows bi-amping which may solve the problem.  But in a HT setup will biamping the L/R speakers drown out the center?  I wouldn't think so – but its good to ask.  Sorry to ask but when I researched this topic I get conflicting answers – I figure your company added the extra expense to have them wired for bi-amping but will it be effective using 1 amp and the extra speaker hookups?  Is the Pioneer "enough" of a receiver?

The review stated the speakers needed to be 3 1/2 feet from the back wall… something I don't think will work in my room.  How far would you recommend?

I can always "step down" to the 6I's if it works in my room better.

 Rob

Thanks so much for your help!!

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Honestly I'm not a fan of the 900 series Pioneers, it just doesn't make a lot of sense to be power speakers that are over 1K a pair with a receiver in the $300 range.  You might get slightly better performance if you bi-amp but really I think the better move would be to get a receiver that has a better amp section.  Bare minimum something like the Onkyo 608 or Denon 1911, because I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings but you aren't really going to get even 80 wpc out of that receiver.  

February 14, 2011 at 8:03 am #2600
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No worries, I can always find a home for the receiver and we may need to go with an upgrade as it does not support 3D – still waiting to see if that is a fad or it takes off.  If bare minumum is the Onkyo 608  or Denon 1911 – what would you recommend to run the system well.  No point is acheiving bare minimum and the basement refurb is coming in less than expected.   The Onkyo NR708 110w / channel and certified for 4 ohms and is about the same $ as the Denon on Amazon's website.

Also, how far from the back wall do the Verus towers need to be due to their rear ports?

 

Thanks

Rob

February 14, 2011 at 4:42 pm #2829
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Jason Hicks

[quote user="rwhjr2"]

No worries, I can always find a home for the receiver and we may need to go with an upgrade as it does not support 3D – still waiting to see if that is a fad or it takes off.  If bare minumum is the Onkyo 608  or Denon 1911 – what would you recommend to run the system well.  No point is acheiving bare minimum and the basement refurb is coming in less than expected.   The Onkyo NR708 110w / channel and certified for 4 ohms and is about the same $ as the Denon on Amazon's website.

Also, how far from the back wall do the Verus towers need to be due to their rear ports?

 

Thanks

Rob

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Once you start getting into the receivers in the 120-130 wpc range you see a pretty big leap in performance.  So something like the Denon 2311 or 3311, Marantz 7005, or Onkyo 808 is what I would recommend to get better than minimum performance. 

Also all of these receivers will let you add an amp down the road, so that's a nice option to have. 

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