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    Jonathan
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    Hello,

    I have a Marantz SR4003 I bought several years ago and was wondering if this will be sufficient to run my Verus Forte Towers and Forte Center with a 10" HSU Subwoofer.

    Is there anything to be said to upgrade to a higher end receiver that will be a significant factor in overall sound and output quality?

    Thanks.

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    Jonathan Zegar

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    Jason Hicks
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    [quote user="jonathan.zegar"]

    Hello,

    I have a Marantz SR4003 I bought several years ago and was wondering if this will be sufficient to run my Verus Forte Towers and Forte Center with a 10" HSU Subwoofer.

    Is there anything to be said to upgrade to a higher end receiver that will be a significant factor in overall sound and output quality?

    Thanks.

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    Jonathan Zegar

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    Hello Jonathan,

    80 watts/channel is definitely on the lower end of what I would recommend with those speakers.  It will probably be fine if you aren't looking to shake the walls down, but if you moved up to something in the 120-130 watt/channel range you would probably notice an improvement in detail and overall fullness of the sound.  Not to mention you would get all of the latest features that the 4003 doesn't have.

    I hope that helps!  

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    Jonathan
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    Thanks for the recommendation.

    I haven't found anything that seems to be a major improvement within my price range, so this may be a purchase I hold off on for a year or so.

    I did notice the Pioneer VSX-1020K or 1021K. It looks like it has 110 watts per channel and can find it under $500. Any experience or thoughts with this AV, seems to have mixed reviews?

    What Marantz model would give me the best value with power/sound for under $1k?

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    Jason Hicks
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    [quote user="jonathan.zegar"]

    Thanks for the recommendation.

    I haven't found anything that seems to be a major improvement within my price range, so this may be a purchase I hold off on for a year or so.

    I did notice the Pioneer VSX-1020K or 1021K. It looks like it has 110 watts per channel and can find it under $500. Any experience or thoughts with this AV, seems to have mixed reviews?

    What Marantz model would give me the best value with power/sound for under $1k?

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    I'm not a fan of the 1020 or 1021 myself, because of the way they rate those receivers I can tell you will not get 110 watt/channel from them in reality when all channels are being driven.   In fact in terms of amplifier power I think it would actually be a step down from what you have now. 

    The SR5006 is more money at $799, but you will at least get close to the stated spec of 100 watts/channel in terms of real world performance. 

    My personal pick for a budget receiver is the Onkyo 609 which can be had for about $400 and will also give you a better amplifier section than those Pioneers. 

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    Jonathan
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    I'll give the Onkyo a look, Thanks.

     

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    Jonathan
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    Jason,

    Is it possible and beneficial to get two Outlaw Model 2200 Mono Amplifiers (200 watts @ 8 Ohms), and run these to power my front Forte towers, while still using a Marantz SR4003 as my AV Receiver?

    Eventually, I would be looking to upgrade to a pre/pro only, such as the Marantz AV7005.

     

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    What are the dimensions of your room?

    Is your primary interest music or video?

    How loudly do you listen to your system?

    Do you have a dB meter?

    Does your Hsu sub have built-in amplification?

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    Jonathan
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    12 ft x 20ft x 7ft high.

    music heavy.

    loud.

    no.

    yes, the HSU STF-2, 10" powered.

    My concern is im running an av receiver with only 80 watts/channel and want to upgrade to an amplifier with at least 125 watts (more interested in 200 watts per channel unless it is overkill over the 125 for this speaker setup) (Forte Towers and Center)

    Deciding between the Outlaw 7125 and Outlaw 7500, not so much the Mono-blocks anymore.

    #1819

    OK.

    You've got a room of < 2,000 cu ft – not that large in the scheme of things…which helps you for the time being.

    You listen to music and you like it loud…lol…reminds me of ME!

    No SPL meter – not a problem…your Marantz can make the level adjustments for you.

    Powered sub…GOOD…you just relieved your AV's amp of a significant power burden.

    Didn't you also say elsewhere you were primarily interested in 5.1?  Might have been someone else…but not that important.

    Here's my opinion –

    For the time being, I'd suggest you keep the Marantz and
    investigate dedicated amplification…Outlaw, Emotiva, whatever.  My
    reasoning is that amps form the foundation of any audio system and are
    highly unlikely to be affected by newer broadcasting technologies or
    processing (Dolby alone has gone through numerous iterations…and that
    doesn't include THX, Neo or any other audio-manipulating schemes now here or yet to be developed).  When you
    come right down to it…200 WRMS/ch will never be inadequate. 

    Grab a nice amp and run your Marantz as a "poor-mans" pre/pro for now…it's got the In/Out flexibility to accommodate this.  Processing technologies will continue to evolve, but 200 WRMS will always be 200 WRMS…so
    you won't need to worry about power.  I've not checked the Outlaw…but
    Emotiva has a very nice offering with a lot of solid design features
    and flexibility.  In conjunction with a separate amp for the fronts and a powered sub, your Marantz should be more than sufficient to satisfy your desire for "loud".

    Regarding an AVR or separates…and which is better?  Who's to say?  Excellent sound and features are available whichever way you go.  I can tell you that I've owned 200 W amps and 200 W receivers…both of them Marantz…and I was unable to tell the difference between them.  IMO, the advantage of separates (which I finally owned) was flexibility…if you wanted to upgrade the front-end (pre-amp), power amp or tuner…you could do so individually without having to replace the entire shebang.  This was a compelling feature for me since my system evolved over a period of ~ 20 years.

    Finally…concerning amplification…I'd go for the most raw power/channel I could find and forget bi-amping; I haven't seen a tweeter yet that could handle 200 watts of dedicated amplification for more than a few milliseconds (if that long).  Trust me on this one!

    I hope this helps.

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    Jonathan
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    Wow! I really appreciate the time you took and detailed response.

    I am convinced in getting a nice amp at this point, and it looks like you sold me on going 200 watts/channel,  if I upgrade to a bigger speaker with bigger drivers I will still have the power to handle them.

    Thank you.

     

    #1820

    Jonathan -

    I'm glad you found that info helpful.  If I were
    you, I'd get my amplification established first since that will form the
    basis of your AV system.  If you elect to go for something that's rated
    at 200 WRMS, especially a five-channel model, I seriously can't imagine
    you ever needing more that that (unless your home has an auditorium). 
    That goes doubly-so since you're also running a powered sub.  I ran a
    Marantz 510M for 30 years until I downsized everything  because of space
    requirements (moved into a smaller home a few years ago), and I never
    had a complaint or even considered replacing it (my room was 24' x 22' x
    9').  I also was NOT running a sub; since my interests were 90% music,
    my main and rear speakers were more than adequate (unless it's
    "electronica", most music has little content below ~ 40 Hz).  Last year,
    just for grins (and memories), I hooked it up and it still sounds
    great. 

    In short, get your amplification where you want it…it's
    the foundation of your system…and then forget it move on to other
    things.

    Best wishes.

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