Newbuyer, a friend of mine chatted to one of the customer service. He was confirmed that all PT will have HD-X3 and will be called 532-T . If you order PT now, the next shipment will have HD-X3. That's what i heard .

Hi michael v,

Thanks for that information, that is helpful to know.  This does not conflict with the information I received.

Aperion claims to have no plans whatsoever to make a powered tower (PT) version of their new 633 tower speakers (I am talking about the new line that has the TWO 6.5" woofers). 

They will however be changing the existing PT speakers (the ones with just a single 5.25" midrange) to have the updated HD-X3 crossover, and same with the other speakers in the 5 line.  I repeat though, that they have no plans at all to be fitting an integrated powered subwoofer into the new 633 towers - those will simply have to be run with a separate sub.  Perhaps the reason is due to space constraints inside the new 633 cabinet, since the new 633's have TWO  6.5" woofers, instead of a single 5.25" midrange driver (?)

Aperion did say that if enough customers request a PT version of the new 633 towers (so that the speaker would contain the tweeter, two 6.5" woofers, and ALSO an integrated subwoofer), then they will strongly consider developing one for us.  I said that I would be very interested in this product, if they choose to pursue it.  That would really be a fantastic speaker!  Until that happens (if ever), the only PT speaker in their line will continue to be the existing PT design (that has a single 5.25" woofer) fitted with the new HD-X3 crossover.

However, I was advised by Aperion that while the lack of integrated sub makes the 633 towers less appropriate for HT, the new 633 towers are however much superior to the PT speakers for music listening, due to their two 6.5" drivers and fuller midrange performance.  I was previously believing that the PT's would definitely be the recommended speaker by Aperion for quality two-channel music listening (which is our main concern), but to my great surprise, they VERY strongly recommended going with the new 633 towers + sub for quality music listening instead.  They become available in mid-June.

I've heard otherwise, but oh well...

Wondering if they are considering an upgrade package for current PT owners that are within the 1 year purchase date.

I definatly would like to see some specs/aural thoughts on the difference between the DiAural and the HD-X3 results with the current PT speaker line.  The only improvements upon the current PT line, IMHO, would be less silibant highs and very slighty more midrange definition, and I mean slight.

The current PT speaker is amazing, if the HD-X3 makes it more amazing, I'm all for the upgrade!

 

Matt, if you heard otherwise, could you please say what is your source of information and what exactly you were told?

My source is Ben Fowler at Aperion Audio, earlier this week.

Hello Guys. Sorry for the late response. The new 633-T will be shipping 6/16, as will the 632-LR, 532-PT (the HDX-3 PT).

Hi Ben,

I am wondering, did you get a positive/negative response from the design team, regarding the idea of sometime developing a powered tower version of the new 633T (i.e. creating a 633-PT)?

Or perhaps it is too soon to say?

I'm on the design team and I will tell you that we have discussed that a few times already, prior to your feedback. So consider it a consideration at this point. We're looking at what speakers are going to make sense to customers and our product line, and so you're feedback...all the customer feedback...is clearly one of the most important factors.

Thanks!

 

 

Ben, Is Aperion going to update the website for new version of PT (right now it still shows 522-PT , not 532-PT) or at least the announcement that referencing to updated of 522-PT? This is to reduce the confusion to the future customers. Thanks.

I'd love to see these new speakers in a PT config, otherwise, are you going to offer an existing PT owner upgrade to the new crossover?  (I am still in the year)

And in some generic terms, what could I expect to hear with the new crossover compared to my current DiAural crossover?

 

 

 

Thanks Matt. We are planning an additional PT design so thanks for the input. As for demos in Minnesota, we are doing an audiophile show in Denver this fall and we might come see you in Minnesota. We want to do some road shows this year so if you are interested let us know maybe we can set something up in the great white North. Cheers,

John Wanderscheid
Aperion Audio

 

That's where I heard it, and it's posted in the 'news' thread if you want to take a look.  Now I suppose it could be twisted around to mean a new crossover design for the current PT, but it's in a thread about the new series.  At any rate, if they release the new design in a 'PT' version, I'm all over that!!

 

 

Hello Eric, and anyone else interested in this tidbit..

Unlike DiAural, which is a series crossover design, The HDX-3 crossover is a parallel design. It's a Linkwitz-Riley style, 2nd order, with the HDX-3 circuit built in to flatten the impedence.

Cheers,

 

Hi Guys,

Just a quick note to clarify my previous post. We believe that there is room for at least one or maybe two more towers in our Intimus product line. At this point we have not determined if they will be powered or passive. There are advantages of both designs and we hope that our customers will help inform us on our decision. Please post your thoughts here about what you would like to see and the price you would be willing to pay.

Thanks for the input.

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Cheers,

John Wanderscheid

I was just wondering how 522-PT will sound with new crossover HD-X3?

So are you guys not going to use DiAural technology any more, if so why?  Was the HDX-3 circuit something Aperion designed?

Thanks

Hello John, Ben, everyone,

Thanks for the correction about the parallel nature of the HD-X3 crossover design.

Regarding the new ideas for powered towers, here is what my family is specifically are looking for in this area.

We want to have the best of both worlds, by having excellent mains for two-channel listening periods, within a full 5.1 setup for video sessions.  Most good receivers now have a "pure-direct" stereo mode, which turns off all unnecessary video or audio DSP receiver circuitry, and just passes the two-channel output from the CD audio transport DAC's directly to the amplification sections of the mains only.  This REALLY means no DSP, so of course the separate subwoofer is not even used in pure-direct mode.  A good stereo or pair of monoblock amps can be 12V triggered in this application so you are not running all your amps either, only the ones mated with the mains.

This is why a powered tower design makes so much sense to us for quality two-channel listening, in that you have an excellent musical integrated powered subwoofer in the main cabinet and can just rely upon the towers to do all the work - without sacrificing the unquestionable benefits of a powered subwoofer.  Further, you get STEREO subwoofers, with a guaranteed crossover point that is properly designed for the speakers themselves.  Still further, the integrated subwoofers are small enough to be extremely tight and musical, instead of unnecessary home-theater boomy power from a large HT subwoofer, which muddies up good two-channel listening.

We understand that the new 633T's are much better for two-channel listening then the existing 522PT's (according to Ben Fowler) due to the 633's having much better separation, and particularly having much better midrange performance.  This obviously makes sense, as the 633T's have two 6.5" woofers and were designed originally for HD-X3 crossover technology, while apparently the 522PT's were designed with small HT as the primary application.  All the new 633T's are lacking in our opinion is true subwoofer performance, as is present with the integrated 8" powered subwoofers in the 522PT's.  So if the 633's had it all, they would be the ideal speaker for pure-direct two-channel music listening needs as I described above, and also providing excellent performance as the mains in an HT setup.

The American Cherry finish is a perfect match with our living room setup, and we are truly interested in the outstanding cabinet work of the Aperion line.  This is a major selling point for us as well, and easily sets Aperion apart from the other speaker manufacturers.

We would likely be willing to pay at least between $800/$900 per speaker for a powered version of the new 633 speaker towers, if this can be done and they fit the bill described above.

John, you mentioned you feel there is room for new powered tower designs, and that some are in fact already being considered.  Perhaps you would please be willing to share with us what YOU think might be in demand in the market, regarding new powered tower designs in the Intimus line?  Also, does anything I've said here sound in step with what you and your design team were also thinking?