Hey Alex,

 

You seem to know more than the Aperion specs are willing to show us novices in Aperion design and stucture regarding new products.

 

If the Emblem and display goes to the front in this small cube presentation with the woofers firing to either side what will this thing sound like if I need to place it in a confined space like between my Video stand and Audio stand?

 

My S-10 sits between a bookcase and video stand with at the most 2 inches of clearance on either side. It sounds incredible.

 

So Alex, are these new sub’s in phase but separated by 180 degrees open to free air?

 

I thought the idea of a small cube Sub was to be able to incorporate them into a rather small space with optimum results. If these new sub’s are designed to side fire in a sealed enclosure, what do you really have for installation options?

 

What? Install them in a corner where they can radiate equally off the walls when you don’t have the room in the first place which is why you would by a small cube sub?

 

Since the forum pictures don’t show what you apparently know, why don’t you just jump out here and explain the exact design and implementation constraints of these new subs.

 

If I need a small cube sub installed in a rather confined space, what is the benefit of this new sub design not to mention the significant price increase.

 

Again, what if you do not have the room sufficient enough to give these side-firing subs room to radiate Bass?

 

Jack

I really dont know where to start... I have been searching over the last 3 months deciding on the speakers and reciever to buy... I finally decided to buy the Intimus 532 not before asking (by chat) how soon will an upgrade of the speakers would be available... answer was: not in the short term.

Truth is, based on all the reviews and information I had by that time I placed the order for the 532 Intimus with the S8 Sub.

I believe I do not have to explain the problems my marriage was having when several boxes started arriving... my wife kept asking me how many more would be arriving, how much money did I spend...

Now that I have the whole set:

2 532LR ( I actually bought 3 to be entitled to get the promo Wire Kit 5.1)

1 533 VAC (I got this on ebay, was a bargain!)

2 422LR

1 S8

Reciever Onkyo 905

This is the best speakers set I have by far!

I now have the following issues:

The idea of having 3 532 was because by the end of this year I would be buying another set so that the 532 that is by itself matches this new one, but if this new BRAVUS set comes out, which will I have to match with??

Not to mention how dissapointed is to see this announcement considering I asked less than a month ago if their would be any kind of upgrade on speakers.

About the new set: (Bravus)

I agree with everybody, price tag was one of the reasons to choose Aperion, if this would have been much higher I would probably not have chosen it

The new design is not comparable with Intimus, I do not like the screen, my wife keeps telling me not to have any lights in the room when watching movies, it would be annoying having a green led in front of your eyes.

I would refer to the new design as RETRO, looks old not cool, kind of 70's

I believe that Aperion went after much investigation on this, but I agree with some other comments, it would have been safer if customers have been included on this decision, finally customers are what have made of aperion what it is, so in consequence, treat us well in terms of price, options, design and product quality.

 

cheers

Juan 

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Juan

Apparently quite a few people feel "betrayed" by these new product announcements.  I think we should give Aperion a chance to respond after they digest some of the negative feedback.  Perhaps they will take the high road and give good customers the opportunity to complete their systems at old prices or upgrade to the new series of speakers on favorable terms.  Maybe you will be able to buy an "A-Stock" Intimus subwoofer.

You may want to consider the AV123 MFW-15 subwoofer.  It has been well rated, has stronger specs than even the largest Bravus subwoofer and sells for $599 plus about $100 for shipping.  It is definitely a bigger sub and you give up the equalized and the remote - but get a lot more performance bang for the buck, at least by spec.  You don't need to have the same brand sub and speakers. 

Aperion takes a risk by presenting themselves as  the "warm and fuzzy" speaker company.  Customers perceive the relationship to be personal.  So, the changes to the line are not interpreted as business decisions - but they are. 

Let the dust settle a bit and then contact your sales rep to see if they can work something out for you.  The sales reps don't make the policy decisions but they can certainly convey your message to senior management.  Contact Win Jeanfreau, he is the big guy at Aperion.

The best customer is the one your already have so hope that Aperion understands that.  Best to make this effort one on one as a "general amnesty" by Aperion would be quite expensive for them.  I am certain they don't want every speaker and sub they've sold over the past 12 months flooding back to them.  Know  also that they want old customers to upgrade to the new line - preserving good will is important to them.

Trust me, they knew that the new line would create issues for recent buyers.  They also carefully considered the new price points. Bravus has been in development for at least a year, maybe longer. A new speaker line takes time. 

Taken from the web site:

Anti-Resonant Cabinet

Every Aperion cabinet is made of rock solid 1-inch thick High Density Fiberboard (HDF) to eliminate unwanted cabinet vibrations, effectively muting the walls of the speaker, ensuring that the only voice you hear is coming from your CD or DVD.

 

Not any more!!!!!!  Check out the 3/4" on the new 8.

booooooo!

 

I too don't know what to do.  Was gonna buy in the next couple months, waiting for theater room to be finished.  Not sure what I'm gonna do now.  I thought it was tough to decide between the piano black and the cherry, 533 or 633.  too big, too small whatever, and now that I have been thinking about it forever, BANG GONE!

 

Hate to say it but if the 533t goes bye bye and the ONLY replacment is $495, then I think I might go bye bye also and go Axiom and get a custom finish for $1000 more:(

P.S.  Rounded corners aren't worth the extra build cost!!!!!!!

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Audeeo dumb dumb

Hi pameredith,

 

I read your post on AVS that you don’t like the look of the new Sub’s.

 

I don’t either, doesn’t seem to look finished and elegant like other Aperion speakers.

 

I thought you were a member here and was looking for your input. You appear to speak your mind like I do, well maybe not like me but on your own terms.

 

I am not really sure where Aperion is going right now, and don’t like their lack of respect for customer feedback.

 

I do own 10 Aperion speakers now, but that may change in the near future since I don’t like the current Aperion approach to marketing.

 

Jack

Jack,

With all due respect, how do you have any information whatsoever about Aperions "lack of respect for customer feedback"? Are you aware of any customers that we had spoken with before the new lines came out? Was it 10, 100, 1000 customer surveys? Or are you simply referencing feedback from this message board that was left after the new lines have already been months/years in the making?

I don't think that statement was a very fair one to make...

Thanks to all you guys giving feedback about the subs. We will have much more information coming online in the coming days/weeks about the subs, as well as new Intimus products. What you are witnessing now would really be called a "soft launch" of any new products that you see online. We are in a sort of limbo between the classsic Intimus lines, and the new speakers. We will have TONS more literature, professional reviews, and interactive materials about these new speakers in the coming weeks. I thank you for your patience...

pamertedith - I agree, just rounding the corners of our new speakers wouldn't be worth that much more for a speaker. That's why the new Intimus line will have much more then that going on with it. The new 5T for example will have a new tweeter on it that sounds amazing. It has a higher total power handling capacity which plays with little to no distortion even at SUPER high listening levels. It still sounds smooth and natural. We are also using fiberglass weave cones on the 5T's, as well as the rest of the new Intimus...It's a super lightweight, rigid, fast responding material which has been offering an amazing sound in the new lines. As you mentioned there is new cabinetry, as well as the speakers being revoiced. The new 5T has a beautifully open, rich sound. Similar to before, but better. It also plays a bit deeper in it's bass response.

Thanks again for being patient all...To everybody who has called Aperion Audio just as excited about this new product as we are, I give you thanks and say to hold on just a bit longer...It's all happening!


 

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David Bolt
Aperion Audio Guru
www.aperionaudio.com

Boy, your in trouble now Jack:)

 

Davey,  clearly I did not say that rounding corners is the reason for the price increase.  I thought I said something like, rounding corners is not worth the extra build cost.  I am quite familiar with production costs of many different mechanical things, kinda what I do.  I am sure the new tweeter is better, I'm sure the new drivers are better, I'm sure the new speaker sounds better and goes lower, especially since that was the only knock on the 533Ts that I ever read, so it should have been addressed.  Engineering is all about reproducability and making a profit.  but a 33% price increase is a little steep for a "revision".  I guess you guys needed more margin.

 

Que the "we make less on the 5t then we made on the 533t" comment:)

 

All ball-busting aside.  Keep up the good work guys and I can't wait to see how low the new subs drop with some REAL spl charts!  STAT!

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Audeeo dumb dumb

Davey,

My situation is similar to a few other Aperion customers.  I purchased my speakers a little over a month ago.  I was never informed of a new product line in the works.  Only after the one month return policy was over, have I learned about the new version(s).  Certainly if I had purchased my system a year ago, all bets are off.  While I wouldn't call it a lack of respect, I surely would have expected Aperion sales to at least mention the new product line so I could have made an informed decision to purchase current stock or wait. 

Other Aperion customers are building their systems in pieces.  It would have been nice to give a heads up for these people to purchase any remaining speakers to complete their HT.  Instead they get this:

Please Note:  The 533-T in Black is out of stock and will be replaced by the Intimus 5T.  For more information about pricing and delivery, please call us at 1-888-880-8992.  Thank you!

I'm sure you can imagine the surprise?

 

 

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Speakers: Aperion 6T, 6C, 5DB, 6IC, Bravus 10Dx2
Monitor: JVC RS20U front projector with Stewart Velux 100" screen
Receiver: Yamaha RX-V1800
Blu-ray: Yamaha BD-S2900
Amplifier: Emotiva UPA-7
Conditioner: Panamax M5300PM

Can I still buy your guys speakers if I want???

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Audeeo dumb dumb

Juan Vallejo:

The new design is not comparable with Intimus, I do not like the screen, my wife keeps telling me not to have any lights in the room when watching movies, it would be annoying having a green led in front of your eyes.

Hey Juan,

The screen is only on while you're adjusting the settings with the remote control, it shuts off after a few seconds and blends in with the display bezel while not in use.  

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Word.

David,

 

Lack of respect was a poor choice of words.

 

I do believe however that there may be many that would like a wider choice at Aperion. Aperion builds a product line and consumers do have a choice of where they buy speakers.

 

Also certain product availability shipping on 12-22-2012 was a rather poor joke in reference to the end of the world according to the Mayan calendar. This is what was written to me in an email response from Aperion to my question regarding posted ship dates. Also the link in post #5831 includes post #703 where a person was given a similar response when inquiring about ship dates.

 

Jack

Play nice you two

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Speakers: Aperion 6T, 6C, 5DB, 6IC, Bravus 10Dx2
Monitor: JVC RS20U front projector with Stewart Velux 100" screen
Receiver: Yamaha RX-V1800
Blu-ray: Yamaha BD-S2900
Amplifier: Emotiva UPA-7
Conditioner: Panamax M5300PM

Aperion,

I believe the two things that are upsetting most of the people is that you are taking an already great product and making in unafgordable and/or your policy for upgrades is not as flexible as some would like!  When I purchased my order it would have been nice to know "Oh by the way we are updating this product in two weeks", would you be interested in waiting?  This may also save you some shipping charges on 30 day returns. As I am thinking of returning a portion of my order for the upgraded models.

  I'm sure your business planning and marketing research have idicated that losing these "on the bubble" customers will not have as great an affect on your business as the benefits of a refresh, but still it was inevitable that whatever decision you made would have ruffled some feathers.  I am sure there were others out there asking for an increase in sound quality as well, who were willing to pay whatever.  

Unfortunately, I have already told many of my friends about this product and they were really excited about the value at the price point and now I have to tell them that it is going to cost more.  The raise in prices is not small..Going from $750 to $1000 for a pair of towers is significant to me.  Just wished you could preserve a line up of products at the current price point as well as offering a higher end model.

Of course I am just one of many customers, however my word of mouth could mean many.

Nevertheless whatever you have been doing thus far appears to have worked, so why would there be reason to think that this wouldn't.  

BTW. Other than being disgruntled over this whole product launch thing I have been very satisfied with my buying experience thus far and am sure once I listen to you product I won't hesitate to recommend it to my friends..

Thanks and Good Luck!

Be nice to Jack.  Your forum would be nearly dead without his helpful posts. He has certainly been a strong advocate for Aperion in the past and he has generously shared his knowledge.

Here's the thing, as a business Aperion has to grow and evolve to remain viable and survive.  If we don't continue to expand our vision then there will be no more Aperion Audio and no one wants that, right?

The fact is Aperion has never raised its prices in its eight year history.  That's right the Edge Audio SW12 was $599 and the 502D-LR was $180 in 2001!  Regardless of that, this is not a price increase on existing product.  The new Intimus line will be an improvement over our current products and even if our pricing wasn't already years out of date with respect to our costs, you would still be getting a higher quality product for the extra money. 

I can definitely empathize with those of you that placed orders just before we got the go ahead to discuss the new product, but sharing proprietary information with customers prematurely is a poor business practice and would be only asking for confusion and disinformation to be spread.  This thread provides much support for that point, imagine if we weren't free to respond to your comments because we had not officially or unofficially announced anything. 

Finally about the whole 2012 thing, yes it may have been a somewhat obtuse joke, but the Aperion voice has always been a playful one and that is a part of our culture that we value highly.  I understand that it may have caused some confusion, but the end result was that these folks gave us a call to get the full information that we have at our disposal which was exactly our intention:  motivate people to contact us while displaying the sense of humor for which we are known. 

Thanks to everyone for their continued support and I know that once we get through this somewhat uncertain transition period we will all agree that Aperion still provides an incredibly high value product and that our customers best interests are always central to our mission.

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Jason Hicks
Aperion Audio Guru