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Aperion 4T's

Last post 08-04-2008, 8:21 AM by Russ. 62 replies.
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  •  07-24-2008, 4:00 PM 7789 in reply to 7788

    Re: Aperion 4T's

    jtk27:

    Question for the experts:

     

    What would be the superior home theater setup (assuming you have a good sub), 4T's with a 4B or 5B's with a 5C?  Or would it be cool to mix and match?

    I know you're hoping an expert will answer, but I'll give you my non-expert opinion in the meantime.  Since your question pertains only to a home theater application, I think the center channel is most important following the sub.  Therefore, I'd recommend the 5Bs with the 5C over the 4Ts with 4B (or 4C).  In my opinion, the benefit of the higher quality center speaker outweighs what you'd give up in going from towers to bookshelfs for your mains (which essentially becomes a mute point assuming you pick a quality sub).  Regarding mixing and matching, all of the speakers in Aperion's new line are timbre matched, so you'd be fine with a hybrid system.  Good luck.

     -Nick

    Audio Scrub

  •  07-25-2008, 4:58 AM 7794 in reply to 7789

    Re: Aperion 4T's

    Greetings,

    Becuase Aperion uses the same tweeter in all of its products it is more than cool to mix and match...I agree with the above post that it would be best to go with a 5C for the center channel.

    However, If you have any desire to listen to music in 2 channel then I would suggest one of Aperions towers and yes a 4T would work with a 5C.  Even if you are using a crossover on your towers you will still get superior midrange and extended soundfields over the 5B...Plus the Towers are easier to push than the 5B's, this is good for mid grade AVR's..I plan on upgrading my 5B's to Tower speakers one day.

     Best of luck to you.

  •  07-25-2008, 5:57 AM 7795 in reply to 7789

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    Hey Jtk27, what receiver are you planning to use? If you are planning to use Onkyo you could save a bit of money by getting bookshelf speakers up front and then listening to music through "All Channel Stereo." It's more enveloping then listening to stereo out of FL and FR speakers. If, however, you're diehard in listening in stereo I suggest getting towers. 

    I have preferred listening in all channel mode although I was surprised last night when I was fooling around and switched to stereo...now that my 5T's have played for >100 hrs they sound really really different. Much better, although the sound isn't as good as all channel which makes you feel like you're in the performance. In retrospect I could send back my 5T's and swap them for 5B's and probably hear no difference in movie or all channel BUT I just love the look of the towers. So much for aperion, they won't be getting my towers back. :)

     Now a question for the gurus. A friend of mine asked me about putting speakers in a room that is ~20x60ft  (1200sq ft). I was thinking of suggesting an 805, which I thought was the safest bet, however I'm interested in the outlaw players. Although they're a bit more expensive do you think it'd be better to go with a separate pre-amp/amp using outlaws, the 805 plus an external amp, or 805 alone? Since its an apartment building they won't need to be listening very loud, just want to make sure there's enough power to drive everything. I was thinking 5T's, 5C, with 5B's surround and possibly 4B's rear surrounds. They won't be doing it for a bit, they just wanted to get a feel for what they should be looking for.


    Speakers: Aperion 6T's, 6C, 4B's, and 8D
    Receivers: Onkyo 805 and Pioneer SX-1050
    DVD player: Oppo 981HD
    TT: Pioneer PL-71
    Amp Selector: Niles DPS-1
  •  07-25-2008, 7:25 AM 7799 in reply to 7795

    Re: Aperion 4T's

    not a guru here, but my take on it...  I know Onkyo receivers are popular on here as I know they get good reviews, but you may check out Harman Kardon as well.  I've used them for 8 years and have had great success with them.  Never overheat and produce high current power to make the most of the home theater.  In fact I have the new HK 254 powering my Aperion 5T Hybrid HD system and sounds great!
    Do or do not, there is no try.
  •  07-25-2008, 8:25 AM 7803 in reply to 7799

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    HKs are indeed high quality with great sound and I have heard good things about the new line although I haven't heard or seen them in action yet.

    As for the Outlaw vs. Onkyo, if you go with any Outlaw power amp above the 7075 you will definitely get more RMS wattage out of it than any Onkyo, even if you splurged for the 905.  As for the preamp, I would actually recommend an Onkyo instead of an Outlaw so you can do HDMI since Outlaw still doesn't support it. 


    Jason Hicks
    Aperion Audio Guru
  •  07-25-2008, 9:30 AM 7805 in reply to 7803

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    The question then becomes this....If an Onkyo 805 doesn't do if for you power wise and Sound wise shouldn't you really be considering going the seperates route vs an even better AVR route...I mean what is the point of diminishing returns as far as AVR's go?  Let's say you spend $600 for an 805 but want an upgrade over it.  So you are willing to spend $1500 on an AVR.  Are you really going to be getting that much more performance?  Wouldn't it then become more practical to spend $1500 on a Outlaw or Emotiva or (insert name here) pre/pro combo for the increased perfromance you are looking for? The one major consideration then becomes features...When you get into Pre-Pro combos you are starting to lose things like HDMI repeating and the ability to play lossless audio codecs. So you sacrifice features to obtain higher fidelity sound mainly for musical enjoyment.  In terms of HT movie performance an 805 level AVR should satisfy most of the consumer market, no?  I ask this becuase I have never really heard the difference a seperate amp makes on HT, only two channel music.
  •  07-25-2008, 10:14 AM 7808 in reply to 7805

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    Personally I think the DACs in the 805 are quality, so I think in terms of sound the 805 does a great job, at least for our speakers.  But if we are considering a massive 1200 sq. foot space it may be a bit lacking in power and that is where a separate amp starts to become an attractive option.  Going with an AVR with quality sound processing as a pre and then a power amp to actually drive the speakers can be the best of both worlds IMO. 

    Jason Hicks
    Aperion Audio Guru
  •  07-25-2008, 10:34 AM 7809 in reply to 7808

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    That works to and that is actually my plan, just not with my RX-V661.  I've finally got it up for sale and wil use proceeds for an 805..Then I will see if I need seperates.   As long as were in agreement that if the amp section in the 805 isn't enough then you probably want to look into getting a seperate amp...

  •  07-25-2008, 11:29 AM 7811 in reply to 7809

    Re: Aperion 4T's

    I bet the jump from 90 wpc to 130 will be a large enough difference in power that you will be pretty happy with the 805.  At least for a little while. . . Wink
    Jason Hicks
    Aperion Audio Guru
  •  07-25-2008, 11:58 AM 7813 in reply to 7811

    Re: Aperion 4T's

    Well that and a bump up from 5B's to 4T's Cool

     

    Hey check this out.

    Here's a test bench score from the Yamaha RX-V661 (the one I'm getting rid of) http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/receivers/2276/test-bench-yamaha-rx-v661-av-receiver.html

    And here is a test bench score from the Onkyo SR 605
    http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/receivers/2632/test-bench-onkyo-tx-sr605-av-receiver.html

    Even though both are 90wpc Onkyo's numbers look a bit better on 5-7 channels driven.  Not sure what that all means according to this interesting article on ACD testing:  http://www.audioholics.com/education/amplifier-technology/the-all-channels-driven-acd-amplifier-test

    But they are basically saying don't put all your eggs into the all channel driven test.

     

  •  07-25-2008, 12:17 PM 7814 in reply to 7813

    Re: Aperion 4T's

    Dan:

    Well that and a bump up from 5B's to 4T's Cool

     

    Hey check this out.

    Here's a test bench score from the Yamaha RX-V661 (the one I'm getting rid of) http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/receivers/2276/test-bench-yamaha-rx-v661-av-receiver.html

    And here is a test bench score from the Onkyo SR 605
    http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/receivers/2632/test-bench-onkyo-tx-sr605-av-receiver.html

    Even though both are 90wpc Onkyo's numbers look a bit better on 5-7 channels driven.  Not sure what that all means according to this interesting article on ACD testing:  http://www.audioholics.com/education/amplifier-technology/the-all-channels-driven-acd-amplifier-test

    But they are basically saying don't put all your eggs into the all channel driven test.

     

     

    Wow, 56 watts vs. 85 for five channels driven seems like a big difference even considering that audioholics article.  
     


    Jason Hicks
    Aperion Audio Guru
  •  07-25-2008, 12:53 PM 7815 in reply to 7814

    Re: Aperion 4T's

    Donny, you're out of your element!   Dude, the wattage is not the issue here. Also, impedance is not the preferred spec over which to dicker. Sensitivity, please.


    Caleb Denison
  •  07-25-2008, 1:38 PM 7818 in reply to 7815

    Re: Aperion 4T's

    NICE..

  •  07-25-2008, 2:04 PM 7819 in reply to 7818

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    Jason Hicks
    Aperion Audio Guru
  •  07-28-2008, 1:20 PM 7834 in reply to 7717

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    Davey Gravy:

    Lastly, we have some photoshoots of our own going down today. It's high time that Jason, Oliver and I ended up in the "Meet the Aperions" section of the website, so we'll be getting some photos snapped today of us looking all professional like. But if time permits, maybe me and Hicks can pop into our 2 demo rooms and take some shots. Maybe I should leave the snap shots to Jason. You guys seem to like his artistic vision... 

    Looks like it took over a week for your pictures to actually posted in the "Meet the Team" section.  They must have needed some serious Photoshop doctoring or something.  j/k  Anyway, nice to see you and Jason cleaned up and looking "professional" (by that, I mean devoid of feeble facial hair growth).  Big Smile

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