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Noise Reduction,Surge suppression, Power Conditioning

Last post 03-08-2007, 3:38 PM by Jack Gates. 4 replies.
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  •  02-13-2007, 4:37 AM 4067

    Noise Reduction,Surge suppression, Power Conditioning

    OK Gurus,

    I have been enjoying my Aperion products for some time now (533VAC, S-10. 4-522L/R, 1-522C).  I have noticed at higher volumes i occasionally hear some crackling and popping through the speakers.  When i first hooked up my Charter (not so good) Scientific Atlanta 8300HD (OK) i had some odd problems.  The sound would cut out when flipping light switches on and off and with a certain switch on would stay off until that switch was turned off.  This happened when i used a coaxial audio out and went away when i switched to an optical out.  Makes me believe my power is ?????

    Here is the question.  I started looking at affordable noise reducers and surge suppressors ($200 or less, i realize power conditioning is a whole new ball game and isn't available at this price point).  I had a hard time comparing them apples to apples and knowing what it all means.  Do these things work?  Are they a Home Theater necessity?  Do they do what they say?  Can anyone shed some light on this for me?

    I know a certain blog that some really enjoy claims that everything is bunk and only a good surge suppressor is necessary.  Review of certain products on various sights vary from these are magic to i do not notice a difference.  What do you all think?

    Thanks for your help!!

    Jeff

  •  02-15-2007, 10:40 AM 4084 in reply to 4067

    Re: Noise Reduction,Surge suppression, Power Conditioning

    Hey Jeff,

     Sorry for the delay in response! This is an issue near and dear to my heart. I'm hoping that we can sort this out together because, to a certain degree, I suffer from some similar problems. If you want to skip to the meat of this post, please do. It's at the bottom.

     Let me issue this disclaimer first: I am no electrician. There's a lot I don't understand about electricity in general. I've committed to learning and have started gathering resources to do so. Until then, I'm going to lean on the helpful advice from an electrician friend of mine. I hope to have some input from him soon. Until then, my little story:

    Of the the very few electrical outlets in my home, not a single one is grounded. They've also lost their "grabbing power" so it's tough to keep things plugged in. As you can imagine, this situation brings with it many headaches. As a result, I've had to do what I'm certain would horrify electricians everywhere (I'm kind of hoping for a bunch of responses telling me that my house is bound to burn down any day now) I'm using "Cheater Plugs". If you aren't familiar with the term, it refers to the "3 prong to 2 prong ground lifting adapter" I think I'm using something like 6 of these in conjuction with good quality surge supressors.

    For the most part, I've managed to go without noise in my main system upstairs.  Fairly recently, I added a "Frankensystem" in the basement comprised of old prototype speakers and partially defunkt electronics. It's a home theater meets computer audio meets recording studio thang. Surprisingly, it sounds amazing.

    Whilst making some changes to the wiring configuration, I noticed that I was being electrocuted. It sounds funny but that is more or less what was happening. I was in my socks, firmly grounded and grabbing on to rca cables and I noticed that my hand felt funny... it was a lot like sticking your tongue on a live 9 volt battery. I traced it back and determined that it was being passed through an old fisher receiver (a component with an ungrounded plug to begin with)

     I don't know how this is happening, but it is clear that there are all sorts of electrical issues at play in this setup. I intend to use a Monster Power center to see if it makes any difference. I don't know that it will but it will be a fun experiment. So how does this tie into your situation?

    I, too, was getting noise when using a Coax digital audio cable. It disappeared when I implemented an Optical cable. The reason why has to do with the fact that the 1s and 0s of digital code get passed electrically through a Coaxial type cable whereas they are passed by way of light pulses  with an optical cable. You noticed the crackling and humming changed when lights were turned on and off. This is an indication that they are having a direct effect on your equipment. Essentially you have "Dirty Power"

     Cleaning up dirty power is one of the big marketing points of these higher end surge supressors. To what degreen can it "clean it up"?  I'm going to find out this weekend and let you know what I discover. I've always maintained that there is a price tier where true value can be achieved. If you spend $150.00 on a device that protects your system to the tune of $200,000.00 (insurance) and actually need it once in its lifetime, then it just paid for itself.

     


    Caleb Denison
  •  03-04-2007, 8:05 PM 4171 in reply to 4067

    Re: Noise Reduction,Surge suppression, Power Conditioning

    Jeff Schutz:
    I started looking at affordable noise reducers and surge suppressors ($200 or less, i realize power conditioning is a whole new ball game and isn't available at this price point)
    I'm not an HT junkie, but I do work with computer hardware at work all the time. It looks like you can actually get some decent conditioning for right at $200 actually. Check out: http://www.amazon.com/Belkin-PureAV-Console-outlet-programmable/dp/B000637RN4/ http://catalog.belkin.com/PureAV_detail.process?Product_Id=178925 If you want to save a few bucks and don't need all those outlets, you could check out a smaller one that has a battery back-up: http://www.amazon.com/Belkin-PureAV-UPS-8-Outlet/dp/B000637RG6/ http://catalog.belkin.com/PureAV_detail.process?Product_Id=195291 Another brand that is long-standing in the the UPS area is APC. They have comparable products for a little more I think. YOu may also want to look at whole-house protection. Here's a good article: http://ecmweb.com/powerquality/electric_rise_residential_surge/ -Mark
  •  03-05-2007, 10:23 AM 4179 in reply to 4067

    Re: Noise Reduction,Surge suppression, Power Conditioning

    Sorry for the delay in followup. I didn't get to test out the HTS 1000 until this past weekend.

    What I learned is that no power center is going to help my with my groundless home. I just need to move! What I did learn was that the HTS 1000 did eliminate some video noise that I was getting. Whatever dirtiness lay in the circuit was eliminated. I didn't run any of my video through the power center so I know this was electrically related. This furthers my opinion that these conditioners are great for the smaller issues but may not be able to solve larger electrical problems.


    Caleb Denison
  •  03-08-2007, 3:38 PM 4207 in reply to 4067

    Re: Noise Reduction,Surge suppression, Power Conditioning

    Jeff,

    I use a Back-UPS CS 350 for my A / V system by APC.

    Although I have never experienced equipment failure due to power fluctations or surges, that I know of, I want to protect the equipment that I have.

    I believe surge or backup proteciton to be a wise investment.

    I have lived in Alaska, Minnesota, California, Nevada and now Idaho where after power failure there may be as many as 3 attempts to restore power.

    This may occur in just seconds and may adversely affect various electronic components.

    Jack

     

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