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533-PT's....where's the LFE go?

Last post 05-04-2007, 4:34 PM by kjmason. 2 replies.
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  •  05-03-2007, 5:55 PM 4474

    533-PT's....where's the LFE go?

    Question for those of you who designed the speakers...What happens to the LFE when using the 533-PT's?  As I read the instructions, the 533-PT's have no separate subwoofer inputs, they should be set as "Large" in the receiver with speaker-level inputs only to the speaker.  It's my understanding that these settings route the low frequencies to the speaker but causes Dolby processing to cut the LFE by half.  If that's true, it seems that two 533-T with a separate sub would produce better low frequency than two 533-PT's.  Do I have that correct?  If so, what size sub would provide at least equavalent power of the two 533-PT's.  The S-10? S-12?  Thanks
  •  05-04-2007, 10:41 AM 4483 in reply to 4474

    Re: 533-PT's....where's the LFE go?

    Hi KJ,

     I've not read anything that would indicate that Dolby or DTS processing reduces the LFE signal by half if the fronts are set to large and the subwoofer is set to "none". I suppose it would make sense if they did, since LFE signals themselves are generally too hot to send to typical main speakers. The reason a stand alone sub is suggested for home theater is that most speakers don't have the the power necessary necessary to produce the extremely loud LFE information (which is often mixed 10 db higher than the stereo bass that appears in your mains). All that said, some A/V controllers (and possibly receivers) have a bass limiter that will cap the LFE output so that you don't get distorted bass through your mains.

     Of course, MOST people's front left and right speakers don't have subwoofers with their own amplifiers built in. I ran an experiment once a couple of years ago where I turned my sub's power switch off and listened to a movie track with just my PTs. Once I had that reference, I went into my receiver and turned the subwoofer to "none" I then played the same movie track and, wouldn't you know it, there was a LOT more bass than before.

    So, I know that the LFE track is getting sent to the mains, but whether it is reduced or capped off by your A/V receiver I'm still uncertain on.

    The bottom line is that, while you will often get more even bass by using the powered towers, you won't get some of the super LOW bass that an s-10 or s-12 could produce. The 8" subs in their enclosures are powerful and capable of being quite loud, but just don't get down to 20 or 25hz with the same gusto as a 10" sub or larger will.

    This is why I suggested the 533-T and stand alone sub. OR you can use the PTs AND a stand alone sub for serious, serious bass. I just think the former makes a better value for a room of your type.


    Caleb Denison
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  •  05-04-2007, 4:34 PM 4489 in reply to 4483

    Re: 533-PT's....where's the LFE go?

    Caleb, thanks again for the great info you provide.  I found the info regarding LFE on a competitor's website, here's the link if you want to take a look:

     http://www.atlantictechnology.com/Upload/PDFs/literature/current/5-Steps-to-HT-print.pdf 

    I have no idea if the article is completely accurate (i.e., cutting LFE by half) but it certainly looks like lack of a dedicated sub powered off a dedicated sub or LFE out might cost me.  I'm really looking forward to trying out the 533-PT's next week.  If I really like them maybe the best answer is your last suggestion; stick with the PT's and then add the stand-alone (probably a bit later due to $$ factors).  Three subs would probably provide about the most even low frequency distribution I could hope for......hummmmmmm.

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